Bombay School - Our Best Always - Ake Runga - Years 0 to 8
Parent Survey Data
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You indicated yes to the question one, could you please expand on your reasons for saying yes?36 responses
I like giving them an opportunity to learn about religion
A basic understanding of the bible is possibly helpful for kids to understand other peoples devotion to the church
We believe it has a positive impact on our son outside of Church. He is sometimes resistant to attending Sunday School,
however he has never complained about having the lesson at school - perhaps with it being taught around his school friends.
Don’t see any harm in it
I see no harm in it. NZ was built on a Christian foundation, it's part of what makes New Zealand, New Zealand. I would however also be happy for the format to change to a more broader level as detailed in the next answer.
I believe it is important for the families who wish for their children to learn about the bible should have a choice!
I believe it's important for children to have an understanding of faith (in all its formats)
You can’t make informed decisions later in life if you don’t experience all life has to offer.
It is an essential part of learning and growing and broadening the understanding of living in a predominantly
It opens up a new world and the children enjoy it
The children really enjoy learning about Jesus. It's a great moral base for them.
Its a part of education and understanding important historical events that have formed society
I believe that as long as it’s kept as an introduction and light hearted it does no harm to children to learn there are other forms of worship and personal beliefs.
There are many families who would like their child (or are indifferent/don't mind) to have knowledge of the bible but for any number of reasons don't attend church. Bible in Schools is an opportunity for those children to learn about the basic principles of what it means to be a Christian. Christianity in the community (both Maori and Pakeha) has been fundamental in New Zealand's history so for this reason also, I think it is important to make it the 'default' option rather than "secular" being the default option.
We do not go to Church but it is one way for Jacob to understand the bible and basics of
My children like bible studies and enjoying learning about right and wrong
Because it is good for children to learn about god and appreciate the things around them and learn to be better people. And I think bible should be thought in all schools.
Because our society was originally based on biblical principles '
As a child I had the option of attending Bible in School's whilst attending primary school, I found it beneficial to be involved with
acting scenes and
putting on end of year productions, it also gave me something to believe in as a child, even if it meant as an adult I didn’t stick to that one particular faith/religion once i learnt more about what was out there.
I believe it is important for all children to be educated on being a Christian. Without an understanding of religion or faith they can't make an educated decision on how this could be part of their life.
Although we are not religious I like the kids learning about it and also many of the Christan values are values we agree with Teaches children what Christianity is about. It’s harmless learning so long as that is what it’s about and there is no expectation or pressure for kids to convert .
To learn about Jesus & the bible is essential for ones spiritual journey & many students are not provided with this opportunity outside of school
I agree with Bible in school and would like to think it is teaching children that everyone has different beliefs and tolerance. However, my daughter says she isn't learning much from the classes, and this could be the way it is presented to the younger children. She is keen to learn from the stories.
children need christian morals to survive happily in this world of despair and fair
Bible in school focus on life lessons and not religion. It teaches kindness and generosity among so many other good things
I think it is not a bad thing for mychn to learn this it certainly won’t do them any hatred mychildren have always enjoyed it and never complained
***** loves it. It upholds values that I like. Being kind to others etc
I personally think understanding and having strong Christian values is a good foundation for children to be encouraged to make good choices. I think as long as the meaning and moral of the bible stories are explained children can understand the importance of the values being shared and their transference to their own situations.
Gives the children an understanding of religion that they might not otherwise get home.
NZ as a country is a Christian country our observed holidays follow the Christian calendar so yes I think that there is a place for Bible in school. I also consider the basic teachings are good principles to follow.
Keeping an open mind, broadening knowledge of history etc
We are not a religious family but I don’t see harm in the children learning about the bible, there is benefit in knowing about other religions and beliefs.
I feel my child can have a choice to be religious if he decides to be.
We don't go to church as a family so I think it's good to have it in school because my children learn about Christianity
You indicated yes to the question one, what ideas can you share about how the school can cater for those students whose parents have opted out of Bible in Schools?36 responses
They can go outside or to the hall and do some type of movement/exercise
Respect the parents wishes and offer alternative learning for the time of Bible Studies (nothing fun, as the bible kids won't be happy about it) perhaps additional math/reading study
Attendance in library.
I understand that there are other religions in New Zealand so there is a need to, not preach them but maybe discuss them at a broader level ie where does the religion come from, how do they celebrate.
These children could be offered another class session being art or reading?
In the happiness work I do, I've found that one of the key factors in people's happiness is their faith. It's less important what they actually believe in, than the fact they have identified a system of belief. In my view, children should have the opportunity to review a variety of belief systems and understand what faith can offer
I personally think they’re making decisions without giving the child a chance to learn about religion and make their own decision later in life as to whether they believe in it or not.
The teachers could use the time for special reflections and quiet time for these children on their own beliefs or those of their parents.
Sit in hall or library and read a book
Baha'i the teaching of unifying oneness across religion
Given alternative work
Project work, helping the teachers of the junior school to prep for project work to give them a better appreciation of how much work the teachers have to do. Also extra maths worksheets maybe?
Morals based programme; reading books; older students reading to younger students or helping them with schoolwork; perhaps older students could devise a
morals based programme to teach younger students with the supervision of one or two teachers or parents
i see It is as there choice but it is a learning tool and should be encouraged just to know the basics of the reasons behind Christmas and Easter and why things happened,
Have another subject for them to learn
Well that’s there decision if they don’t won’t there kids in bible school but there missing out on learning about how to be a better person and also about god.
School leaders possible to supervise library time.
Offer Bible in Schools that cater towards other faiths that are outside of Christian Based Faiths, but carry one teaching at normal for those not involved. Students could learn about other historical things such as
folk lore and fairy tales. Should they move onto studying literature and history in high school.
Similair learning such as respect, kindness, compassion, honesty
justtake away the religious level.
Their parents can answer that I don’t believe they should be normal classroom activities as it would be fair if children were disadvantaged by taking bible
Extra maths or reading
If parents don't want their child to learn about the bible then they should provide some religious material of their choice for their child to read to enhance their own spiritual journey.
set up a study time for those who don't want to participate
One of the
seniors children can take them to the library and they can read books.
Maybe a broader range of religion rather than just Christian beliefs as another may suit someone better
Inquiry topic that is student lead and they need to research something applicable to them or handwriting
I think understanding cultures, history of religions and why people in the world turn to an intangible faith for strength and to make sense of the world is important, as is teaching acceptance of the many and diverse beliefs that people hold.
None that's their prerogative to opt out
Don't really see a strong valid reason for opting out personally regardless of your personal beliefs, if their own home beliefs/teachings are so strong any conflicting instructions during bible studies shouldn't be an issue, I see bigger problems with some of the things that are accessible on the internet than learning the Ten Commandments, maybe the parents feeling that they need to opt out should have pay for a tutor/teacher to supervise their children during this time.
When i was at school, bible studies was first thing in the morning on a certain day, those that didnt want their kids there were told to bring them to school after it was finished.
A local school I know of notifies all parents of weekly
bible class on a Friday morning and parents then have the choice to let their kids start later on that day
Maybe a better understanding of exactly what bible in school is teaching the children. If it preaching to them similar to that in a church service then I don’t agree with that but like I said above there is
benefit in children learning about the bible and the stories we all learnt about growing up so they can be mindful of different peoples religions and beliefs. I think also important to acknowledge other religions as we live in a very diverse country with many different cultures who have different spiritual beliefs.
Alternative lesson eg Art, social studies can replace Bible studies
You indicated no to the question one, could you please expand on your reasons for saying no.30 responses
Against religious indoctrination at such a young age Because I dont think it is done in the right context. They are preaching not teaching. I really don't like the things my kids come home saying. I think religious education is a subject for older children to choose from at college.
State schools are/should be a secular environment. Those requiring religious instruction can get this elsewhere. Teaching religion from the same place we teach maths and science gives it a credence and legitimacy it simply does not deserve.
I do not believe a singular faith or belief system should be taught in a state school. I have no problem with religious studies that investigate a wide range of beliefs. I also do not hold with members of a religious organisation "teaching" the bible.
I believe religious education is the responsibility of the family, not the School.
Don't see the point of teaching Bible to the children, not sure what value this adds to their overall education.
I think if there are going to be any sort of religious study at school it should cover all religions not just one otherwise not at all.
you are teaching one kind of religion - kids do not need to be pressurised to be told they have to follow - my belief is general understanding for all but if the child or family want to join a church - the information is available and let them decide if they want to join that specific church or to choose another - or if they don't want
religon -its not an issue - its there choice to make
Not a relevant subject for school curriculum (NB Religious Studies OK, Bible Study no)
I don't agree with the bible education provided
Religion is a personal choice.
Bible in school is a hangover from years gone by and the associated creationism views directly contradict the scientific argument around the origins of the Earth, of humanity, and of other life – surely this must be confusing to children of this age group, when they perceive every statement adults' make to be squarely placed in fact. Bible in school as it currently stands, only communicates one
view point when there are many many others – why is this one deemed the correct one to be taught in school?
I think all religions should be taught. Diversity and acceptance of other religions is important.
When the bible teacher teaching Year 6 students say that Santa isn't real and that it's your parents. Not there place to say at all.
I think the time could be spent learning more relevant subjects.
I feel this should be an opt in subject not an opt out.
I believe that religious instruction is something that should be undertaken by the family rather than as part of the school curriculum if you follow a particular religion.
Unless a school is affiliatedto a particular church then I don't think Bible in Schools is really necessary. If parents want a Christian based education then they can send their children to a school that
us based on Christian values.
children if needed can be taught about religion rather than a religion
If you want religious teachingsgo to church
Not a believer. Also I think the time spent is better used in learning. Its also very biast to only teach one religion...
I would prefer if my child learnt about all religion's not just christian beliefs
Just feel that it’s not necessary in today’s curriculum. There is so many other interesting topics that could be learnt in this time. Old fashioned crafts for example.
There is no place for religion in schools. If someone wants their child to have religious instruction they can go to church. I do not like the fact that the teachers often fill in as
bible teachers. Teachers are positions of authority over the children and this is a misuse of their position.
I feel that the teaching of the bible/ christianity is a one eyed approach. I think a better approach would be to teachkids about different religious belief's and how they came about. This would also allow kids to better understand different peoples views and cultures.
I don't think it has a place in today's culture. I think there should be a focus on values education that does not have a biblical slant.
My children only attend because it is an
out-out system rather than an opt-in. Because of this, there are very few that opt-out. Maybe the school should consider switching it to an opt-in system. My wife and I are agnostic and I see the current 'Bible' sessions only teach Christianity.
Bible shouldn't be taught in school. If a parent wants their child to do bible it should be done at home/Sunday school/ church or whatever. I think school is for intellectual learning. Not fiction.
I think you should offer all Religions for RE
Keep religion out of state schools.
If a decision is made to continue with Bible in School in 2018, what ideas could you share about how the school can cater for children who have opted out?30 responses
Library time. Sports. Critical thinking
Something age relevant.
Don't do Bible in School - problem solved.
I believe it should be
opt in rather than opt out. Children who have not opted to participate could do revision or extension work, they could do science, which I feel is lacking in the Bombay curriculum. They could also do ethics, community or life skills
I’d be happy for my children to simply read a book! Maybe some science activities would be a good alternative - the kids have enjoyed science in Akoranga sessions.
What do you currently do? Are there kids that opt out at the moment?
get taught basic
religon and then be given work sheets or teaching kids how to ride a bike or how to cross a road or other school work that can be completed - not muck around in classroom or sit and talk - wasting the time
More time needed for internet/library research on topic; perhaps they could research, prepare and present 5 min presentation on eg countries of the world
Perhaps children could use this time to read or browse in the library or other space or do
mathletics etc undersupervision of a teacher
If a decision is made to continue Bible in school then perhaps consider holding the classes after school hours - say immediately after the final bells goes. If the parents of Bible in school children deem the activity important enough for their child to attend, then they will accommodate a later pick-up time on that day.
I would not opt my kids out as they really enjoy Bible and often discuss what they have learnt, there are huge moral learnings to be gained from Bible. I just think that there should be an awareness of other religions so they grow up having a balanced view of the world not just assume that one religion is the only one that is right.
Another sporting activity
Jump jam, Te Reo, Maths games.
Not sure but kids who opt out could feel a bit isolated which is why opt in is a good idea.
I would prefer the study of different cultures encompassing many different religions rather than focusing only on Christianity. I would want the kids to be involved in something fun and productive that is appropriately supervised, not just left in the library.
Are there options to cover things like values/morals etc that aren't coming from a religious viewpoint? My children are opted in, but only because I was under the impression that they basically don't do anything of value if they are opted out.
they just carry on with their normal schoolwork as expected
They all work independently so they can just carry on in a separate location. The rooms 1,2 & 3 is big enough to
Something artist. Music lessons, theatre sports
Crafts and sports lets the kids choose what interests them maybe?
Why are children/parents asked to opt out? Inclusion should be an opt in question. If a parent wants their child to have religious education then they should give ‘enthuastic consent’, as opposed to consent by default.
Teach them about another religion like Buddism or Islamic religions. I don't particularly want my child opted out but would love her to learn other beliefs other than Christianity.
I think bible should be opt in, not opt out.
Change the system to be opt-in. That way those that wish to attend can all go off to the hall and the other children can remain in class
Continued learning. Crafts. Arts. Free time. Whatever works that has some type of positive learning.
Something fun, and where they don’t miss out. Easter is not about receiving chocolate but when Rose opted out she didn’t receive them as was made to feel different
Have it RE after school hours
You selected 'other' in response to question one. Could you please expand on your reasons?7 responses
While no religious myself, I would welcome me the chance for my child to learn about religion, but all religions should be covered.
Religious studies to cover a broader range of religions and beliefs
I believe that the child should be able to participate in Bible Studies if the child or the parents wish the child
too teaching one religion is very narrow sighted in a multicultural community
We are not religious people.
However, I don't see the harm in the kids being exposed to religion through Bible in School. But I also don't think it is an absolute necessity so I'm not fussed either way.
We are a not opposed to it but also feel it's not needed
I think it would be beneficial to learn about all major religions, to
instill understanding and acceptance.
Please use this box if you have any other comments/ ideas to raise.20 responses
Moving forward for bible in schools it's hugely important and beneficial to educate the children about ALL the different types of religion
not just Christianity
If we believe our children have a right to learn
bible in schools then why should our rights be taken away because some people don’t believe?
I would like to see Bombay children receive exposure to multiple faith systems, widening their knowledge further. Alongside bible stories, there is an opportunity to explore material from many other sources
Changing platforms and approaches should be used to stay relevant
With the diversity of our society, I feel it is wholly inappropriate to favour one religion.
Years ago (8 anyway!) new parents were actively discouraged by School management to withdraw their kids from
bible lessons. I’d like to think that ALL of our families now are fully aware it’s fine to withdraw them. I’d be disappointed if bible lessons were to
continue, unless the lessons were changed to include ALL religions.
I hope there would be exploratory discussion to enable the children to make their own choices
William is still attending bible studies as Katherine portrays religion in a manner appropriate to a young person but Charlotte was pulled due to
scare mongering by an older member of the church. If the likes of Katherine continue to teach
bible studies I would be more than happy for Charlotte to return.
I do not support introducing other religions to 'balance' with Bible in Schools
Perhaps "citizenship" studies would be a more relevant and applicable subject to teach; especially the juniors.
Everybody has there own beliefs and if they agree and disagree it cool
I was brought up at school also once a week for
a hour learning about the bible and I never ended up going to church, but I learnt about things and why we celebrate these things
Everybody is different
Bible in Schoolsshouldntbe limited by age. Children should be able to par take in it from the moment they start school.
Historically, Bombay School has had Bible in School and
its important for it to continue so the students can learn about the spiritual dimension.
I don't feel that religion in schools is
relevant with such a diverse community of cultures and religious and non-religious backgrounds.
Can these ideas and principles be taught in a different way, rather than through the teachings of the Bible
Having Bible Studies at school is great and I love the fact Bombay does.
bible is an extra curricular activity if parents feel the need for children to study the bible they can go to church in their own time.
I’d be interested in an opt in
version of a structured comparative religious education...
as type social studies. By this I mean, prior to accepting any kind of religious education, speakers must be attained by the local Islamic, Hindi, Christian, Buddhist, Mormon, etc institutions. Each religion should be given equal time and access to children (one can’t ‘opt out’
specific religion - this is an educational subject) Each should be a historical account of their religion, core tenants, etc. The premise is
that, society is full of all kinds of people with all kinds of beliefs and we all need to get along. By understanding our neighbours better, we contribute to a stronger community, one with tolerance, compassion and empathy.